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Conversation with Ro…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2010-11-17:4134568:Comment:42482010-11-17T20:27:39.000ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
<b>AoH Ning<br />
Conversation with Rowan, Tenneson and Ria<br />
Sept. 22, 2010.</b><br />
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1. Cool that something is evolving + that there is one place. The Ning platform is set up for AoH practitioners, NOT for people looking for what AoH actually is. The static site needs to fill in that purpose. (and will be rewritten sooner or later) It grew out of the desire for an integrated space to share - for harvests and materials. At the end of an event you can guide people to the static site and/or the online…
<b>AoH Ning<br />
Conversation with Rowan, Tenneson and Ria<br />
Sept. 22, 2010.</b><br />
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1. Cool that something is evolving + that there is one place. The Ning platform is set up for AoH practitioners, NOT for people looking for what AoH actually is. The static site needs to fill in that purpose. (and will be rewritten sooner or later) It grew out of the desire for an integrated space to share - for harvests and materials. At the end of an event you can guide people to the static site and/or the online community, depending on what they need.<br />
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2. Creating a Group for a specific training or event / language / theme<br />
Speaking from the experience of AoHB - we created a group. Question = what feels private and what is available for everyone?<br />
Possibililities:<br />
- An AoH Training or Event can have its own group space = to have a clearly defined space, where answers of motivation and further sharing between event participants can take place.<br />
- Anyone who is a member of the site can set up a group. The one setting up the group can make it open to anyone willing to join, or invite only specific people from the Ning members (= closed group)<br />
- Ning Group could be a respository of all the event harvest – and/while linked to the whole of the AoH.<br />
Limits:<br />
- A Group has only separate Conversations, not separate blogs or a separate place to upload pictures and videos. (Please create Albums of your pictures, so they are easy to find back for anyone.)<br />
- Privacy: Some experience with closed groups on other platforms learns that with google, you could still read it! Weird, but there is no real privacy. A Group on the Ning platform = pseudo privacy. NY is using a Ning Group and then their own email list for more private stuff.<br />
Practical:<br />
- somebody of a hosting team can set up a group with a specific name – and picture!<br />
- Invites participants to become members of the site – approval is normally within hours<br />
- Participants can themselves join the group and conversations can start!<br />
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3. Two levels: Conversations community-wide, or within specific group?<br />
- Conversations and News that is of importance for the wider AoH community can be posted under Conversations/Stories (when input from others is welcomed and asked for) – and News/Blogs for announcements with no need for exchange. Like Tim's "we did something cool, this video." This is about the general means of being together. Next to that are the conversations going on within specific groups (specific event, language, or theme)<br />
- New beginners can be invited in the group space, and then into the broader AoH online space.<br />
- Site Membership and upload content (photos, videos and blogs) approval is done by administrators: Rowan, Mary-Alice and Ria – others who would like to join?<br />
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4. Is our Ning helping an added level of connection, and an added level of ease to harvest and materials?<br />
This is an experiment, it is an important experiment. There is some hope - the belief that an online space will help. Some groups have used FB groups; we have here this broad Ning site.<br />
Intention = ease for harvesting events and a place for materials for the practitioners. Far from complete. Big job to do this. Doing it step by step. We have such good content. Good to make these available.<br />
Not sure if connection will be better. If some of us feed the online space regularly with interesting stuff, then it grows. Thus people are asked now individually, to upload video and other things to the blog (next to the emaillist posting). If there is people who deliberately use it then it has the potential to grow into.<br />
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5. The financial relationship.<br />
- North-America trainings have always contributed 3% through Berkana – for online presence and scholarhips. In Europe a bank account was held by Toke and Monica, also from contributions of some trainings, not all.<br />
- There is a new little group forming (Caitlin and Tatiana and Rowan?) that is looking for a minimal financial structure for the future to work.<br />
- Agreement with Rowan and Ria was made to pay some money for setting up the Ning; no real clarity for the ongoing support.<br />
- idea of feeling as an AoH community - maybe like the map of OST, everyone is invited to pay a little bit every year. (Rowan: I like that idea, and will also be in touch with Michael about if we can use some of the work they have done on the OST map in the aoh context.)<br />
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It is a practice space and it is practice time! Tenneson will hold it like this for the two upcoming events in Oct. Who is joining and willing to share experiences and ideas??? Conversation Rowan - Ria on J…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2010-07-23:4134568:Comment:11872010-07-23T12:29:54.000ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
<b>Conversation Rowan - Ria on July 23,2010</b><br />
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<b>Emaillist:</b><br />
looked into Googlegroups - provides forums and chat - not really an emaillist. Not the best. Other open source emaillist providers; we can try to go with one of those. Names af recommended Elists - Mailman, Sympa - have to look a bit deeper into it. If we get an open source function, it will require some administration - need to think about it. Is it possible to have a flawless emaillist? Or do they always play tricks?<br />
Lets ask…
<b>Conversation Rowan - Ria on July 23,2010</b><br />
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<b>Emaillist:</b><br />
looked into Googlegroups - provides forums and chat - not really an emaillist. Not the best. Other open source emaillist providers; we can try to go with one of those. Names af recommended Elists - Mailman, Sympa - have to look a bit deeper into it. If we get an open source function, it will require some administration - need to think about it. Is it possible to have a flawless emaillist? Or do they always play tricks?<br />
Lets ask the list for any input for what lists to use.<br />
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<b>For the static site:</b> we need another CMS - the current one does 'crazy' things; you get easily frustrated! Aiming at find a solution over the next 6 months. Meeting with Toke next week; maybe talk about this.<br />
[07/23/10] Rowan: Tech side:<br />
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<b>Ning:</b><br />
Ria did a lot of work on the Resources - have a lot of resources, just need to get around to them. - looks very good. Links still needs to be sorted.<br />
When we are getting more books, we might organise them in another way.<br />
Switching from Word to html - Dreamweaver.<br />
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We could invite other local Nings to this one; now that they have to pay - like New-Zealand.<br />
We love how it grows organically; also it needs some tending. It seems that MA is in online hosting mode. She seems to have some ownership too.<br />
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Question of Tenneson: probably the best to create it within their own group. We don't know what they really ask... maybe best to put all their resources in a separate thread in their group.<br />
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<b>To do:</b><br />
Rowan writes the email for AoH emaillist - asking for perfect emaillist + inviting other 'local' Ning sites to join. Ria writes to Tenneson.<br />
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<b>Launch for september</b> + emaillist done. Static site for later.<br />
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<b>Checkout:</b> Rowan: good to reconnect with the Ning this morning. It becomes more alive - now that people are there, my responsibility for it heightens. I enjoy that. We are still on the case, both of us, - good - look forward to the final sceleton - it is maturing; almost ripe and ready.<br />
<b>Ria:</b> I like how this goes in waves, and how we work more at some times. I like how the Nz people and Boston are gathering. also feel like inviting the research group. Feels like we are ready for september Conversation Rowan and Ria, J…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2010-07-21:4134568:Comment:11282010-07-21T13:17:32.000ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
<b>Conversation Rowan and Ria, June 28, 2010<br />
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Check in</b><br />
<b>Rowan:</b> good to be back in Denmark; with focus on being professional - how that spills over into this work - good intention and right exchange. This seems to be my new quest. The ning fits into this.<br />
<b>Ria:</b> getting keys for new home tomorrow. I am becoming more focused on writing and sharing learning and harvest and host the sharing of learnings.<br />
What is going on:<br />
The hosting team of Art of Humans Being are looking into using…
<b>Conversation Rowan and Ria, June 28, 2010<br />
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Check in</b><br />
<b>Rowan:</b> good to be back in Denmark; with focus on being professional - how that spills over into this work - good intention and right exchange. This seems to be my new quest. The ning fits into this.<br />
<b>Ria:</b> getting keys for new home tomorrow. I am becoming more focused on writing and sharing learning and harvest and host the sharing of learnings.<br />
What is going on:<br />
The hosting team of Art of Humans Being are looking into using the ning for their harvesting.<br />
Will have a call with people on research; early July - I will propose that we use the ning for the further online conversation.<br />
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<b>Ning - payment</b><br />
Ning has changed payment status: small amount every month - also own domain; not too much money. There is some money, from T & M and from Hazelwood AoH.<br />
Future: AoH trainings can pay straigth to Rowan's AoH account.<br />
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<b>Status<br />
Ning:</b> the general sceleton we have is quite good. We have the basic structure.<br />
Donate button is working.<br />
Rowan takes over the dealing with Novicell (static site); both issues and payment.<br />
<b>About the static website:</b><br />
Three levels/areas:<br />
1) good service but they charge way too much! It is not ideal,<br />
2) we don't like the editting site of it; quite illogical. It could be made a lot smarter and easier. Other options - looked in with Toke - for administrating a new site + update of the site.<br />
3) content could be summarised and shortened.<br />
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<b>Taking it forward<br />
Ning:</b><br />
Rowan will:<br />
- stream line the Pages Resources and Links - make a differentiation.<br />
- do something on the banner - there should be people there! – Helen’s pictures can be used: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/88067772@N00/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/88067772@N00/</a><br />
Ria: I will run through the email list and see what the overall topics are.<br />
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<b>Static Site:</b><br />
Point 1): Rowan can ask/research - it needs to be quick enough. There is the Mac offer - might not work for everyone. Maybe ask the network? Look into what to pay for what kind of service. Regarding what system to use: what systems do we know?<br />
Wordpress could work for the static site.<br />
Content - It would be great to take Helen on board, this is her main job!<br />
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<b>Emaillist</b><br />
What about emaillist? need for archive - Rowan will ask the Kaospilots<br />
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<b>Money structure</b><br />
how to invite the money structure to keep the sites and us going, being more strategic about it? needs to be a default thing again to pay a little % from each AoH training<br />
Regarding money/compensation: for Ria - when there is some money 'left over' then it is fine. for Rowan: when there is a more clear agreement on the money side that would make the work easier.<br />
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<b>Checkout:</b><br />
Rowan: good to reconnect with this work - learning and harvesting of this AoH work. That has a lot of energy. Excited to take the next steps - see some action.<br />
Ria: I like this kind of working in waves... It comes together... slowly but surely AoH ning Skype call - March 3…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2010-03-15:4134568:Comment:7012010-03-15T20:19:28.000ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
AoH ning Skype call - March 3rd 2010 - brief notes<br />
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<b>Update:</b><br />
Ria:<br />
- has made the links page<br />
- restructured a few tabs<br />
Question: Where to post little articles?<br />
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Rowan:<br />
For the articles, maybe a few categories? Pages - linked with the conversations about Resources<br />
Keeps playing with the colors<br />
Cases = case stories<br />
Formatting the Pages - use DreamWeaver: changes the formatting in html OR use the places in Ning that does good formatting!<br />
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<b>Money:</b> There is a Donate button and a Paypal…
AoH ning Skype call - March 3rd 2010 - brief notes<br />
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<b>Update:</b><br />
Ria:<br />
- has made the links page<br />
- restructured a few tabs<br />
Question: Where to post little articles?<br />
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Rowan:<br />
For the articles, maybe a few categories? Pages - linked with the conversations about Resources<br />
Keeps playing with the colors<br />
Cases = case stories<br />
Formatting the Pages - use DreamWeaver: changes the formatting in html OR use the places in Ning that does good formatting!<br />
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<b>Money:</b> There is a Donate button and a Paypal account + bank account. (add to the stewards email)<br />
Some kind of online hosting would be needed, but on the other side we are not creating a job for someone! (for stewards gathering?)<br />
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<b>Move on:</b><br />
Wrote some draft email to invite the stewards... first some more flesh to the bones here.<br />
change the links to the other Ning Communities - World Café and Open Space on top.<br />
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<b>Next steps:</b><br />
Resize images on static site to 127 pxl wide<br />
Work on design<br />
Work on resources<br />
Create Bank account<br />
Invite Hazelwood money<br />
Invite Karlskrona money<br />
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Invite Chris and Tenneson for a call<br />
Invite Amy for a call<br />
Work on Harvesting structure<br />
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<b>Next Call:</b><br />
We move with what is possible for us; but also keep some momentum - next date!(25 March) Art of Hosting Web call Thurs…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2010-02-11:4134568:Comment:5982010-02-11T21:04:32.000ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
Art of Hosting Web call Thursday Feb 11th 2010<br />
Participants: Ria and Rowan<br />
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Check in<br />
Ria: I am very into the theme now, since it has been on my agenda for the last two days. I had a whole at home today, because of crazy snow conditions. I have been looking at the aoh list for the last months and looking at what we would need to guide this onto the ning site. Some of the interesting stuff like the academic research and a few other threads.<br />
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Rowan: In Preston, clear day with sun, 3 weeks in…
Art of Hosting Web call Thursday Feb 11th 2010<br />
Participants: Ria and Rowan<br />
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Check in<br />
Ria: I am very into the theme now, since it has been on my agenda for the last two days. I had a whole at home today, because of crazy snow conditions. I have been looking at the aoh list for the last months and looking at what we would need to guide this onto the ning site. Some of the interesting stuff like the academic research and a few other threads.<br />
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Rowan: In Preston, clear day with sun, 3 weeks in Denmark en 3 weeks in Columbia - trying to see what we are going to do with our life here in the UK. Where will be the next move? next projects? where are we called?<br />
Thanks for taking the lead on this Ning site; re-ignated my passion. A lot of questions what we want to do with it etc. Inviting the money in... would help me to stay focussed. Good that Ravi and Helen help out.<br />
Next week AoH in Sweden, with the young people. Will be good fun. How to use the Ning for the learning there? With new levels of workbook etc. How can the Ning be used to support hte ongoing trainings and the whole community?<br />
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Updates<br />
Static site<br />
Short conversation with Toke, where he explained how to update and edit the page.<br />
I have uploaded some new pictures and edited some text.<br />
Aoh list<br />
The host says something is happening here. Lets see if the new solution is better.<br />
Ning<br />
Ria: has been looking at how to organize the conversation area, inspired by amy in the world cafe. I now have 6 catagories,<br />
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* Help,<br />
* Resources and research,<br />
* Ideas and passions,<br />
* Exciting developments,<br />
* Stories,<br />
* Mates wisdom<br />
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Also added profile questions. Also trying to make subpages to the resource tab. something went wrong.<br />
- The 6 categories are quite good - maybe make them a little more explicit.<br />
- For projects we could use the blog function maybe, like in the POPI, as list of Places.<br />
This might be under Groups too.<br />
- Groups can be regional and thematic. Can also be linked with a specific training.<br />
- Blog?? is there a need for? we don't need to solve communication in this community! How can we make it as simple as possible? as light as possible?<br />
- under conversations there is category of Resources, so we need to link the other way as well.<br />
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What to move on?<br />
Ning:<br />
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* Organise resources<br />
* Link from recourses to conversation<br />
* Invite Tim, Tenneson, Sara...<br />
* Invite stewards<br />
* Invite hosting teams<br />
* Invite larger community<br />
* Update<br />
* Update design<br />
* Member map: no need to fill in the second line<br />
* Link Under resources other Friend communities/nings.. LearningVillage<br />
* Add OST ning to front page<br />
o <a href="http://openspaceworld.ning.com/" target="_blank">http://openspaceworld.ning.com/</a><br />
* Donate button - link with a bank account?<br />
* Devon Money?<br />
* Contact re Leeds group<br />
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Static: will be updated as Ria goes with the Resources<br />
Static/ning relationship: is for people who are interested, curious about aoh and looking for an initial intro as to what it is; Ning is for practitioners to share tools etc.<br />
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Clarifications<br />
Our roles:<br />
- Rowan and Ria are the main hosts; holding the other people that add content to the site - helping them out if need be. We also adding content.<br />
- We could look at hosting space, hosting process, hosting harvest. How?? Rowan can make a little checklist for it.<br />
- Rowan: more on the technology side, Ria more on the Resources site<br />
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Money:<br />
Startup - 1200 Euro<br />
Ongoing hosting - 500 Euro<br />
When we start inviting the steward circle we can bring this up again.<br />
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Time and Focus:<br />
WE will do our what is on our todo list and what is needed and share whatever money comes 50/50. Be aware of times when the balance of work might be shifted<br />
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Unsettled issues<br />
Bank account/ how to recieve money<br />
Aoh list - keep an eye out<br />
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Check out<br />
Rowan: nice to get a connection between the static and the Ning! Nice call. Fun to be just two.<br />
nice slow dynamic, but we covered the essentials. I like the action orientation.Thanks you!<br />
Ria: I can only echo what you said. Practical, moving forward. Feels good without too much conversations before moving forward. Feels like we<br />
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Next meeting: March 4th 19.30 Hello Rowan,
Instead of havin…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2010-02-10:4134568:Comment:5152010-02-10T20:27:18.000ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
Hello Rowan,<br />
Instead of having an afternoon full of clients, the snow decided differently! So I have done some work over here:<br />
- added profile questions for people to fill in when they first come to the site<br />
- started some conversations - basically adding some categories<br />
- tried to upload a video, but the link wasn't active anymore<br />
- made one page but I don't know how to link it with the Resource Tab AND the whole page looks weird - all formatting is more or less gone!<br />
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Questions:<br />
Dit you ask…
Hello Rowan,<br />
Instead of having an afternoon full of clients, the snow decided differently! So I have done some work over here:<br />
- added profile questions for people to fill in when they first come to the site<br />
- started some conversations - basically adding some categories<br />
- tried to upload a video, but the link wasn't active anymore<br />
- made one page but I don't know how to link it with the Resource Tab AND the whole page looks weird - all formatting is more or less gone!<br />
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Questions:<br />
Dit you ask Charlotte about the colors of this site - I just don't like the black/blue in the tabs.<br />
Is it OK for you that I would answer - on the emaillist - to Tim that we are working onthis Ning site, and they don't need to open a specific site for it?<br />
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Ideas:<br />
As I have copied you on a message for Helen, related to video's, I think it would be a good strategy to:<br />
- invite people into the site who want to help out with something specific, or host a certain conversation<br />
- invite then all the stewards in to fill in their profile - and start some conversation or add a story<br />
- let all the stewards invite some of their mates in the hosting teams they are working with<br />
- then send out the link to the emaillist when we are ready<br />
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Maybe tomorrow during the day some more???