Defining terms: What do we mean by 'it' and 'work?' - The Art of Hosting2024-03-29T11:06:42Zhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/forum/topics/defining-terms-what-do-we-mean-by-it-and-work?groupUrl=creating-some-theory&feed=yes&xn_auth=noGreat that you pointed this o…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2015-11-29:4134568:Comment:998752015-11-29T14:22:43.642ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
<p>Great that you pointed this out again to me!</p>
<p>Ria<br/> <br/> <cite>Rosa Zubizarreta said:</cite></p>
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<p>Great that you pointed this out again to me!</p>
<p>Ria<br/> <br/> <cite>Rosa Zubizarreta said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://artofhosting.ning.com/forum/topics/defining-terms-what-do-we-mean-by-it-and-work?groupUrl=creating-some-theory&commentId=4134568%3AComment%3A100198&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4134568Comment100198"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Ooh Ria, sounds very interesting, thank you!<br/> <br/></p>
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</blockquote> John, if you've not seen it…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2015-11-28:4134568:Comment:1000932015-11-28T16:14:23.188ZRosa Zubizarretahttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RosaZubizarreta
<p><br></br> John, if you've not seen it already, you might enjoy the video called 'the Regenerates'...</p>
<p>it's all about planners and designers whose orientation is to enhance and deepen our connection</p>
<p>with the rest of the natural systems we are a part of, through whatever we are building...</p>
<p>I don't think they mention Christopher Alexander explicitly but must certainly be inspired by his work!</p>
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<p><br/> John, if you've not seen it already, you might enjoy the video called 'the Regenerates'...</p>
<p>it's all about planners and designers whose orientation is to enhance and deepen our connection</p>
<p>with the rest of the natural systems we are a part of, through whatever we are building...</p>
<p>I don't think they mention Christopher Alexander explicitly but must certainly be inspired by his work!</p>
<p><br/> <a href="https://vimeo.com/120837455" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://vimeo.com/120837455</a></p>
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<p><cite>John Baxter said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://artofhosting.ning.com/forum/topics/defining-terms-what-do-we-mean-by-it-and-work?groupUrl=creating-some-theory&#4134568Comment88939"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><div>And one more for illustration...</div>
<div>Sometimes you would think he was an AoH facilitator:</div>
<div><div><em>"It is a fearsome thing, like diving into water. And yet it is exhilarating – because you aren’t controlling it. You are only the medium in which the patterns come to life, and of their own accord give birth to something new."</em></div>
<div>But nope, he's an architect!</div>
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</blockquote> Ooh Ria, sounds very interest…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2015-11-28:4134568:Comment:1001982015-11-28T16:09:51.214ZRosa Zubizarretahttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RosaZubizarreta
<p>Ooh Ria, sounds very interesting, thank you!<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Ria Baeck said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://artofhosting.ning.com/forum/topics/defining-terms-what-do-we-mean-by-it-and-work?groupUrl=creating-some-theory&#4134568Comment88485"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I just started reading the book <em>Design in Nature</em>, by Adrian Bejan and J.Peder Zane. He/they state that there is a 'constructural law' throughout nature, which explains why and how design emerges…</p>
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<p>Ooh Ria, sounds very interesting, thank you!<br/> <br/> <cite>Ria Baeck said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://artofhosting.ning.com/forum/topics/defining-terms-what-do-we-mean-by-it-and-work?groupUrl=creating-some-theory&#4134568Comment88485"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I just started reading the book <em>Design in Nature</em>, by Adrian Bejan and J.Peder Zane. He/they state that there is a 'constructural law' throughout nature, which explains why and how design emerges without an intelligent designer. His definition:</p>
<p>"For a finite-size flow system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve in such a way that provides easier access to the currents that flow through it."</p>
<p>more quotes:</p>
<p>"Everything that moves, whether animate or inanimate, is a flow system. All flow systems generate shape and structure in time in order to facilitate this movement across a landscape filled with resistance (for example, friction). The design we see in nature are not the result of chance. They arise naturally, spontaneously, because they enhance access to flow in time."</p>
<p>"Flow systems have tow basic features (properties). There is <em>the current</em> that is flowing (for example, fluid, heat, mass, or information) and <em>the design</em> through which it flows."</p>
<p>This got me thinking... what is the current that is flowing when we design AoH processes? is it exchange? is it meaning? is it knowledge? ??? I guess this is what we call the 'it'???</p>
<p>and what we call 'works', might be that we come up with a design that is close to a natural design, where the flow gets easier????</p>
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</blockquote> And one more for illustration…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2014-02-19:4134568:Comment:889392014-02-19T08:18:50.239ZJohn Baxterhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/JohnBaxter
<div>And one more for illustration...</div>
<div>Sometimes you would think he was an AoH facilitator:</div>
<div><div><em>"It is a fearsome thing, like diving into water. And yet it is exhilarating – because you aren’t controlling it. You are only the medium in which the patterns come to life, and of their own accord give birth to something new."</em></div>
<div>But nope, he's an architect!</div>
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<div>And one more for illustration...</div>
<div>Sometimes you would think he was an AoH facilitator:</div>
<div><div><em>"It is a fearsome thing, like diving into water. And yet it is exhilarating – because you aren’t controlling it. You are only the medium in which the patterns come to life, and of their own accord give birth to something new."</em></div>
<div>But nope, he's an architect!</div>
</div> I like it Ria...I think you…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2014-02-19:4134568:Comment:891022014-02-19T08:17:50.362ZJohn Baxterhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/JohnBaxter
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<p>I like it Ria...<br></br>I think you and Pamela would get a lot out of Christopher Alexander if you're not familiar already.</p>
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<p>A (re) quote from A Timeless Way of Building:</p>
<div><div><em>“The specific patterns out of which a town is made may be alive or dead. to the extent they are alive, they let our inner force loose and set us free; but when they are dead, they keep us locked in inner conflict.</em></div>
<div><em>(…) Certain patterns do create a special sense of…</em></div>
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<p>I like it Ria...<br/>I think you and Pamela would get a lot out of Christopher Alexander if you're not familiar already.</p>
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<p>A (re) quote from A Timeless Way of Building:</p>
<div><div><em>“The specific patterns out of which a town is made may be alive or dead. to the extent they are alive, they let our inner force loose and set us free; but when they are dead, they keep us locked in inner conflict.</em></div>
<div><em>(…) Certain patterns do create a special sense of life.</em></div>
<div><em>They create it in the first place by allowing people to release their energy, by allowing people themselves to become alive.”</em></div>
<div><em>“(…) Each pattern that creates conditions in which people can resolve the conflicts they experience, for themselves, reduces people’s inner conflict, helps to put them in a state where they can meet more new challenges, and helps them to be more alive.</em></div>
<div><em>On the other hand, each pattern that creates conditions in which people experience conflicts which they cannot resolves for themselves, increase their inner stress, reduces their capacity to resolve other conflict”</em></div>
<div>(@lilious shared <a rel="nofollow" href="http://realise.jsbaxter.com.au/patterns-of-cocreation/">on blog</a>)</div>
</div> Thanks Ria! Your post about f…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2014-02-15:4134568:Comment:890062014-02-15T08:46:07.754ZPamela Schreinerhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/PamelaSchreiner
<p>Thanks Ria! Your post about flow strongly resonated with something that I've been thinking/feeling about -- but hadn't gotten any words for. A Complex System, in a natural state, seems to "flow". And when I think about a system that has been overly controlled, such as a hierarchical organization, it's as if the "flow" has been interrupted. I must get this book.....</p>
<p>And to bring this back to our conversation, I often think about the start of the "it" as being the intention. And because…</p>
<p>Thanks Ria! Your post about flow strongly resonated with something that I've been thinking/feeling about -- but hadn't gotten any words for. A Complex System, in a natural state, seems to "flow". And when I think about a system that has been overly controlled, such as a hierarchical organization, it's as if the "flow" has been interrupted. I must get this book.....</p>
<p>And to bring this back to our conversation, I often think about the start of the "it" as being the intention. And because of the complex system's sensitivity to initial conditions, this intention can have strong ramifications. Perhaps the intention then becomes the meaning or the knowledge that you spoke about?</p> I just started reading the bo…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2014-02-12:4134568:Comment:884852014-02-12T08:20:09.817ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
<p>I just started reading the book <em>Design in Nature</em>, by Adrian Bejan and J.Peder Zane. He/they state that there is a 'constructural law' throughout nature, which explains why and how design emerges without an intelligent designer. His definition:</p>
<p>"For a finite-size flow system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve in such a way that provides easier access to the currents that flow through it."</p>
<p>more quotes:</p>
<p>"Everything that moves, whether…</p>
<p>I just started reading the book <em>Design in Nature</em>, by Adrian Bejan and J.Peder Zane. He/they state that there is a 'constructural law' throughout nature, which explains why and how design emerges without an intelligent designer. His definition:</p>
<p>"For a finite-size flow system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve in such a way that provides easier access to the currents that flow through it."</p>
<p>more quotes:</p>
<p>"Everything that moves, whether animate or inanimate, is a flow system. All flow systems generate shape and structure in time in order to facilitate this movement across a landscape filled with resistance (for example, friction). The design we see in nature are not the result of chance. They arise naturally, spontaneously, because they enhance access to flow in time."</p>
<p>"Flow systems have tow basic features (properties). There is <em>the current</em> that is flowing (for example, fluid, heat, mass, or information) and <em>the design</em> through which it flows."</p>
<p>This got me thinking... what is the current that is flowing when we design AoH processes? is it exchange? is it meaning? is it knowledge? ??? I guess this is what we call the 'it'???</p>
<p>and what we call 'works', might be that we come up with a design that is close to a natural design, where the flow gets easier????</p> Yes Rita. Quality of measurem…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2014-01-25:4134568:Comment:885062014-01-25T09:55:47.428ZPamela Schreinerhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/PamelaSchreiner
<p>Yes Rita. Quality of measurement is crucial. Both the intention and academic rigour are key components to setting up a good survey. To ensure that intention is addressed, I like to use Art of Hosting. And then there are the issues of politics or media spin that come afterwards......... </p>
<p>We had a major issue here in Canada a few years back. For many decades, Canada's Federal Department of Statistics had a stellar international reputation. This was largely due to the man who was chief…</p>
<p>Yes Rita. Quality of measurement is crucial. Both the intention and academic rigour are key components to setting up a good survey. To ensure that intention is addressed, I like to use Art of Hosting. And then there are the issues of politics or media spin that come afterwards......... </p>
<p>We had a major issue here in Canada a few years back. For many decades, Canada's Federal Department of Statistics had a stellar international reputation. This was largely due to the man who was chief statistician and then led this department: Dr. Ivan Fellegi. He understood quality as well as the importance of treating employees well. After his retirement, our current prime minister, who is not a statistician, removed a key component to our census surveys. This resulted in the new head of the department resigning. </p>
<p>So, especially during the times in which we live, numbers and statistics are highly valued. And this can result in huge pressures being brought to bear on the data and on the reporting.</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Rita S Fierro said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://artofhosting.ning.com/forum/topics/defining-terms-what-do-we-mean-by-it-and-work?groupUrl=creating-some-theory&commentId=4134568%3AComment%3A88388&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4134568Comment88388"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>And I Just came across this old article...something to keep in mind at the same time. Pamela, while it's critical, I'm not posting it to contradict your contribution, but to help us reflect on how to be mindful of the methodologies we choose and how we use them....</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130809130345-143695135-why-i-m-unhappy-with-happiness-surveys" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130809130345-143695135...</a></p>
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</blockquote> And I Just came across this o…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2014-01-24:4134568:Comment:883882014-01-24T13:14:10.149ZRita S Fierrohttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RitaSFierro
<p>And I Just came across this old article...something to keep in mind at the same time. Pamela, while it's critical, I'm not posting it to contradict your contribution, but to help us reflect on how to be mindful of the methodologies we choose and how we use them....…</p>
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<p>And I Just came across this old article...something to keep in mind at the same time. Pamela, while it's critical, I'm not posting it to contradict your contribution, but to help us reflect on how to be mindful of the methodologies we choose and how we use them....</p>
<p><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130809130345-143695135-why-i-m-unhappy-with-happiness-surveys" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130809130345-143695135-why-i-m-unhappy-with-happiness-surveys</a></p>
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<p></p> Another way to know that it w…tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2014-01-22:4134568:Comment:884042014-01-22T08:31:37.061ZPamela Schreinerhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/PamelaSchreiner
<p>Another way to know that it works is the good old measurement of employee satisfaction, or organizational participant satisfaction, or whatever we want to call it......</p>
<p>We don't often talk about measurement in AoH, but I believe that, when used appropriately, it can move to a new level of providing value. </p>
<p>I love Rita's comment about alignment: "In other words, it's both the process and the outcomes being in line with the initial intention of the group." And I believe that when…</p>
<p>Another way to know that it works is the good old measurement of employee satisfaction, or organizational participant satisfaction, or whatever we want to call it......</p>
<p>We don't often talk about measurement in AoH, but I believe that, when used appropriately, it can move to a new level of providing value. </p>
<p>I love Rita's comment about alignment: "In other words, it's both the process and the outcomes being in line with the initial intention of the group." And I believe that when you have this kind of alignment, people will simply be happier. For example, this happiness survey can be used to measure the impact of a project: <a href="http://www.happycounts.org/" target="_blank">http://www.happycounts.org/</a></p>