All Conversations Tagged 'systems' - The Art of Hosting2024-03-28T17:07:36Zhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/forum/topic/listForTag?tag=systems&feed=yes&xn_auth=noArt of Hosting and organisationstag:artofhosting.ning.com,2019-01-07:4134568:Topic:1173192019-01-07T12:59:55.590ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
<blockquote><pre class="moz-quote-pre">From the email list, starting late 2018:</pre>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre"><br></br>On Dec 20, 2018, at 2:43 AM, Monica Nissen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><monica@interchange.dk></a> wrote: </pre>
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<blockquote><pre class="moz-quote-pre">And I still have a working assumption that the four-fold practise is foundational in this shift - as are good methods, useful tools, skills and theory (=AoH)…</pre>
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<blockquote><pre class="moz-quote-pre">From the email list, starting late 2018:</pre>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre"><br/>On Dec 20, 2018, at 2:43 AM, Monica Nissen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><monica@interchange.dk></a> wrote: </pre>
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<blockquote><pre class="moz-quote-pre">And I still have a working assumption that the four-fold practise is foundational in this shift - as are good methods, useful tools, skills and theory (=AoH) </pre>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre"> Yes to this. I think our little framework is powerful enough and fractal enough that it holds this work on multiple levels. When a group of people begin practicing the four fools practice over time, my experience is that they begin to become a community that learns and a community that hosts itself and others, participates, and co-creates. </pre>
<blockquote><pre class="moz-quote-pre">So in short - how do you expand/scale up the “Art”?? </pre>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">To me that is how it scales: organizations take on the practice as their core function. I’m seeing it in my work with foundations, non-profits and even a few local businesses, like Percolab, who do this as their raison d’être and not just their marketable offerings. </pre>
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<div class="">On Dec 21, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Monica Nissen <<a>monica@interchange.dk</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class=""><div class="">Hi Chris<div class=""><br class=""/><div class="">Love the way the computer has its own will to innovate …</div>
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<div class="">And I still wonder if the viral version is enough or only works for networked mind-sets and organisations - are there hybrids? - bigger organisations - that need more conscious and/or structure approaches???</div>
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<div class="">Not sure - But I just have an intuition that there may be a bigger, nested “four fools practice” in there somewhere - so I’m in the mood to explore..</div>
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<div class=""><span>It’s definitely deliberate and networked. For me, it’s about building capacity. Our biggest work the last 9 years has been providing this program to social service workers in British Columbia working with children, youth and families in agencies, indigenous communities and government: </span><div class=""></div>
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<div class="">You can read a summary of our five year evaluation of this program here: <a href="https://fcssbc.ca/sf-docs/2020/2020_evaluation_report.pdf" class="">https://fcssbc.ca/sf-docs/2020/2020_evaluation_report.pdf</a></div>
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<div class="">We continue to developmentally evaluate as we go, and as a result, each cohort is different, each curriculum is slightly changed and we find new and more relevant ways to introduce people to this practice.</div>
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<div class="">The basis of that program is a leadership approach that is very similar and deeply informed by what we in the Art of Hosting community know as the four-fold practice: that great leadership is personal, practice-based, participatory and perceptive. The program is structured in cohorts made up of people that have to apply. We mix “legacy” leaders with experienced and emerging leaders to show that learning never ends. Each cohort participates in two 5 day residencies - which are basically extended Art of Hosting workshops - and a nine month program of learning in between, featuring webinars and coaching and peer support for the application of tools and methods.</div>
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<div class="">Over the past eight years we have brought about 450 people through the program. While it's about learning in participatory ways, the program has a kind of hidden agenda. We are very clear that, about every 20 years or so, the child welfare system in our province goes through a massive restructuring, often provoked by a crisis, but not always. We have always invited our participants to both practice their leadership on the issues that are immediately in front of them, but to do it in a way that builds their capacity to respond when that later transformation happens. We want them to be the first to run to the centre when the old system is dying, eager to use their capacity, relationships, and practice to create the new.</div>
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<div class="">In these days, the system is now beginning that deeper transformation, and fortunately it hasn’t been preceded by a crises. Instead, the woman who founded the Leadership 2020 program, Jennifer Charlesworth, was appointed to a five-year term as the <a href="https://rcybc.ca/" class="">Representative for Children and Youth</a> in British Columbia, a very powerful position that is independent of the government and that can make powerful recommendations about systems change, usually as a result of different issues or events. In the past, this position has been held by people who have been very confrontational in their work, but Jennifer is bringing a more collaborative approach to her work and to be successful in that, she is partly relying on the 450 Leadership 2020 graduates that are spread all through the system. There is a built-in capacity that is being invited into its biggest calling, reaching across traditional divides of indigenous/non-indigenous and government/community. We are hoping to see that the system is able to evolve faster with this capacity embedded in a way that is less painful than a collapse and transformation. You can already see in Jennifer’s reports how she is talking about the need for connection, and you will recognize the perspective that is informed by participatory approaches to this work. In this report on <a href="https://rcybc.ca/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/reports_publications/timetolisten-youthvoicesonsubstanceuse-2018-web-final.pdf" class="">Youth Substance Abuse in BC</a>, look at the Findings and Analysis section. Something important is starting.</div>
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<div class="">Participatory practices have been used for a long time in the field of social work and child and family services. In 2003 I started working with David Stevenson to use Open Space, Cafe, Circle, and the four fold practice to begin to build an indigenous governance systems for child and family services in BC. Our colleagues Kris Archie and Kyla Mason, Pawa Hayupis and many other indigenous Art of Hosting practitioners came into and out of that work. Toke and Monica joined us to teach Art of Hosting to families and community members who were participating in that work: <a href="http://www.turtleisland.org/healing/healing-cousins.htm" class="">http://www.turtleisland.org/healing/healing-cousins.htm</a>. Between 2003 and 2009 we did something important on Vancouver Island. We started something and then had to abandon it for a different form, because not every idea works. But David later took that work with him into his work in executive positions in government. Kris has now become the CEO of the <a href="http://www.philanthropyandaboriginalpeoples.ca/" class="">Circle on Philanthropy and Aboriginal Peoples in Canada</a> and Kyra has become an extraordinary executive director of Usma, a Nuu-Chah-Nulth agency on Vancouver Island. Pawa is currently doing her Masters of Arts in indigenous governance and she and David continue to offer Art of Hosting trainings locally, as do Caitlin and I.</div>
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<div class="">Meanwhile, Jennifer and a small group of us began Leadership 2020 in 2011. It has taken 15 years of developing leadership at the grass roots level and seeing that leadership grow into positions of power that has allowed us to work with the system this way. There is capacity in BC now, hopefully enough to take the system through the changes that are now coming, the ones we have prepared for, the ones we are waiting for, the ones we are making.</div>
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<div class="">It takes courage, patience, time, power, stewardship, relationship, and community to do this work. It takes a common language and shared perspectives and it takes massive diversity and difference to build resourcefulness and resilience. It is costly, both emotionally and materially, and it is not easy work. It requires a fierce commitment to relationship and a willingness to be at the edge of safety, with one foot out into the dangerous world. You get uplifted, hurt, angry, and joyful. But it’s a long game and you cannot sacrifice the depth of the work for ease and comfort. And no one person can do it alone.</div>
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<div class="">It is not enough to do some trainings and walk away. The viral network does not just magically appear. Beautiful workshop experiences are only useful for systems change if they are connected to power. It requires staying in.</div>
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<div class="">I just realized a few weeks ago that, although I never intended to work in the field of child and family services, that this may indeed be my life’s work. It has been nearly 20 years since I first walked into Vancouver Aboriginal Child and Family Services to take on a job organizing their negotiations to become a “delegated agency” able to make decisions for indigenous children and families instead of government doing it. I think in that time I’ve learned a bit about what it takes to create the capacity in a large system that gives us a chance. That’s all I can say we’ve done at the moment, but I’m an optimist, so I live with the hope and gratitude that the legacy of the work we have done will make the world better for the kids who suffer the most in it.</div>
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<div class="">I hope that provides some insight on your question, Monica.</div>
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<div class=""><span>Thank you Chris for taking the time to make your insights explicit and sharing the story!!.</span><div class=""></div>
<div class="">This is an important and encouraging lived story!!<br class=""/><div class=""></div>
<div class="">And I feel honoured to have been a tiny part or at least a witness to some of the journey.<br class=""/><div class=""></div>
<div class="">I will include this in my personal path of research ;-)<br class=""/><div class=""></div>
<div class="">And I certainly recognise elements from our own experiences and work.</div>
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<div class="">For me this is an example of a complex system changing with the experience, relationships and capacity built into and between the people participating.</div>
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<div class="">And as you say it has taken 20 years so far - and probably another 20 to come.</div>
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<div class="">Still sitting in the inquiry ….</div>
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<div class="">What if we don’t have the 10-15-20 years???</div>
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<div class="">Is there a simple “pattern” or practice - maybe the next spiral in the four-fold practice that can help us transition from interventions to living it long term and large scale?</div>
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<div class="">And if yes - what are the steps in the journey? - and are they replicable in any context?</div>
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<div class=""><span>Part of the answer here is that we are changing a culture. The only way to change a culture is to change the interactions between agents in a culture. Introducing more diversity and connecting people in a culture to more difference helps to create adaptability. </span><div>But the culture that is emerging in the system here in BC is being countered by the culture of accountability, outcomes and linear causality which has political appeal because it can deliver short term results, but it doesn’t make the system work better for kids and families. </div>
<div>It’s not that the project is long or short term. It’s permanent. It’s 5 years and 30 years. It doesn’t end. It has no achievement with a static state of bliss at the end of a long journey of many steps. </div>
<div>There are no easy answers, merely patterns and contexts that change and invite us to do things differently. We must sense what is needed and create responsively. That’s all. Sometimes it works, like Leadership 2020, sometimes like VIATT it fails. But it always moves. </div>
<div>Chris<br/>-----------------<br/><span>Hi everybody in here,</span><div dir="auto"><br/><div dir="auto">I totally agree with "We must sense the genuine needs and create responsively" sort of approach in orientating our thinking too. Putting some measures of sense into the thinking.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Learning is continuing. Natural, very naturally exciting each time it thus is enabled to happen.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Creating an such a manner that, projects maintain their temporality nature, while ensuring that only their consequences are permanent in any perceivable manner.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Regards</div>
<div dir="auto">Mugyabuso R A</div>
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<div dir="auto"><p>Hi all....</p>
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<p>I’m loving this conversation because it helps to raise really important questions about one of my own life’s questions as a practitioner W<em>hat are the key leverage points for large scale systems change?</em>....a passion of mine since my early days with Cesar Chavez and the farmworkers movement and later becoming an “accidental consultant” for several decades with senior executive levels in the multi-national corporate world (where, incidentally, the World Cafe was born and initially spread.)</p>
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<p>It seems to me that, in addition to large numbers of people in trainings gaining more robust relational and participatory leadership skills, another dimension of architectures for large scale systems change has to do with the design of infrastructures/processes that can then channel the constructive energies that are released from learning programs like AoH or others. </p>
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<p>In the systems dynamics world, there is a mantra that “structure determines behavior”--meaning that the intentional “architecture” of people related infrastructures and processes in the HR/OD world.... things like recruiting processes, reward systems, and even things like building design, determine people’s behavior and therefore, the results we see (good or bad!) In the business strategy world (also in non-profits) this might include the architecture of disciplined strategic planning processes, including data analysis, strategic futuring, scenario analysis etc. as critical elements for creating the outcomes we see.</p>
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<p>Many practitioners/consultants as well as those within organizations who are newly exposed to our approaches, may operate with an assumption that learning programs that enhance individual and group capacities for relational integrity and participatory methods will somehow necessarily and organically change organizational level infrastructures that link “business strategy” (ie the design of the “hard” stuff) and “organizational strategy” (the design of the “softer” stuff) into a coherent whole. </p>
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<p>For myself, I’ve found that large scale leadership capacity development (and follow up implementation strategies) in BOTH areas simultaneously are important in discovering the “sweet spot.” It seems to me that highly developed leadership skills <em>both</em> arenas are critical to thinking and acting systemically in order to gain strategic leverage toward the results organizational leaders and members seek.</p>
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<p>Doing this kind of work, as Chris says, can take many years in large organizations, so a stance of both loving patience, thick skinned tenacity and a high tolerance for ambiguity, as well as an enduring focus on heartfelt human values are qualities essential to engaging in this kind of tough work.</p>
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<p>Anyhow, those are early reflections and I still, after these many years, have lots of unanswered questions in my own head and heart, that I’d love to explore with others in our field.</p>
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<p>With fond best wishes for a wonderful holiday and deep appreciation for the reflections in this thread,</p>
<p>Juanita</p>
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<div dir="auto"><span>Chris,</span><div>I am so moved by your description of the long term trajectory of your work. I see so many lessons for what I’ve been attempting to do in journalism. Notably, I’m struck by the inherent evolutionary nature of the four fold practice. </div>
<div>Can the conversation on AoH in organizations transcend to a social system like education or journalism? I see glimpses, as I think about seeding AoH-inspired workshops in journalism support organizations that reach into journalism organizations. Perhaps along the lines of your farm workers activities Juanita?</div>
<div>Or is this a different conversation?<br/><br/><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Peggy Holman<br/>--------------------------<br/><div>This thread (and your grounded personal reflections particularly Chris) are one of my favourites from anywhere in a long time. You are reinforcing patterns I have lived in, felt, seen and believed in, from further along a similar path.<br/><br/>Thank you Rolf, too, for your ‘forest and hill’ metaphors of where we are in the seeding of the process.<br/><br/>----<br/><br/>when you feel the beginning of your new spring,<br/>let it blossom<br/>at the speed of the blossoming<br/><br/>do you think this world<br/>does not know<br/>how to change the seasons ¿<br/><br/><i>— dec. 12, 2005</i></div>
<div><br/>Thanks,<br/><br/>Ben</div>
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<p><span>Hi Juanita and friends</span></p>
<p><span>Good to hear your thoughts Juanita. These resonate/coincide very clearly with my own inquiry over the past few years. I have worked exploring the nature of being and acting in complex human systems together with my colleague Mark Gatenby. One result is a focus on the process of co-design. To that end I am very thrilled to announce that we have just published three volumes drawing upon our 6 year long inquiry into practice. Our three strands are designing, developing and learning. The interplay and confluences between them are what we have found in practice to give us a glimpse of co-designing human (and humane) systems. Please do take a look and even purchase if you wish:</span></p>
<p><span><a href="https://www.businessexpertpress.com/?s=co-design&book_author=0&post_type=product">https://www.businessexpertpress.com/?s=co-design&book_author=0&post_type=product</a> (Also found on Amazon)</span></p>
<p><span>The learning for us emerged from extended work aimed at bringing back learning into higher education (somewhat ironic!) and also into professional practice in healthcare. The significant individual emotional reactions to learning with others alongside institutional pushback showed to us that new practices and ways of thinking are in the process of being birthed. Of course, birthing is hard and potentially painful, but through intentional co-design such experiences can open up news ways of living and organising. This work also signposts what I describe as a ‘post-organisational’ future where organising is the priority and the organizational paradigm that has held western thinking for the past 100 or so years is lessened in its strength. We go on with our inquiry and our stepping into practice in 2019.</span></p>
<p><span>Warmest seasons greetings from the UK</span></p>
<p><span>Stefan Cantore </span></p>
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</div> harvesting from one event to the next...tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2015-06-04:4134568:Topic:977662015-06-04T07:52:05.842ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
<p><em>from the emaillist, June 2015:</em></p>
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<div>I am hosting a short series of World Cafe sessions where the topics/questions between the sessions do not change, but the attendees do. This was a choice made by the hosting/design team to engage a broader sector of community members than a single date/time would allow.</div>
<div>My question for you is this: Based on your experience, how would you handle the harvest of the first iteration? Use it to seed the second iteration?…</div>
<p><em>from the emaillist, June 2015:</em></p>
<p>Friends,</p>
<div>I am hosting a short series of World Cafe sessions where the topics/questions between the sessions do not change, but the attendees do. This was a choice made by the hosting/design team to engage a broader sector of community members than a single date/time would allow.</div>
<div>My question for you is this: Based on your experience, how would you handle the harvest of the first iteration? Use it to seed the second iteration? Allow the second group to start from the same 'blank slate' the first group had? I suspect in our AoH community of practitioners we have even more creative ways of finding a middle ground between those two.</div>
<div>Your thoughts and experience will be gratefully received!<br clear="all"/><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Amy</div>
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<div>You have hit on the most difficult problem for World Cafe's or any time we want what has been learned by one group/person to be taken up by another group/person. I have a suggestion that has worked very well for me. Compile a large number of significant quotes or ideas from the first session, not bullet points or summarizations, but original words of participants in complete sentences. They can be quotes from ideas offered at individual tables or from the ending discussion. The important thing is to use participant's actual words - the raw data, so to speak. Put each quote/item on different piece of paper and post them on the walls around the room. Depending on the size of the group you need from 30-100 items. Before the first round of the second Cafe starts, instruct participants that they are to act as researchers and their task is to make sense of what the first group found by reading the quotes on the wall. Provide each a pad and pencil for this task. Allow at least 20 min for this research. Then hold the first round of the second World Cafe, doubling the length of the first round. In the first half of the first round have participants tell each other their findings and hold a discussion about those findings. In the second half of the first round ask participants now to speak from their own point of view on the issue. Then proceed with rounds as usual. Give it a try and see what you think.<div>Nancy</div>
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<div>Well it is actually the biggest problem with any strategic conversation which is is why I have the principle that “I’m not planning a meeting, I’m planning a harvest.” Once I know what our outputs will be and how the tangible and intangible results of the meeting will be used I can plan a process, with harvesting and hosting working together within the conversation and extended beyond the conversation. <div>It is essential that this be the centre of design. Even an informal conversation between a few people - if it has any strategic importance at all - requires a prior consideration of the purpose and methods of harvesting that are specific to the needs of the client, community or organization, and specific to the particular moment in time that the conversation is serving. </div>
<div>For practitioners, I have learned that this requires us to create all kinds of harvesting and hosting strategies with our clients. There is really no one best practice that fits all requirements. </div>
<div>Nancy’s process here, similar to the ones that I have been designing, are excellent when you are needing to work with a large number of ideas and when it is important for the group itself to be sensemaking (Jen Mein posted a lovely process on Facebook yesterday along these lines). These processes are critical in situations of pure complexity, where diversity and collective sensing is required. This is a very energetic and participatory form of harvesting and trusts the group completely with the meaning making, which I think is fantastic. </div>
<div>And of course, other needs and other contexts will require their own hosting/harvesting strategies. For the practitioner, your most important role is helping a planning group discern the need for the hosted/harvested process and to help them make informed choices about what will be most helpful.</div>
<div>I love seeing these conversations about discerning much more subtle strategic choices. It is a key part to developing one’s depth of practice. </div>
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<div>And I would say you need to take it a step further still. What we're really working towards are consciously creating systems which lead to systemic change. AoH started with an emphasis on hosting conversations and that fairly quickly expanded to harvesting as well. That's great and perhaps sufficient if what we're looking for is to catalyze more individual action. It's still pretty week if we are looking for collective action and systemic shifts.<br/> <br/> My own work is making it several other important dimensions visible. I think of:<br/><ul>
<li>much more careful attention to invitation</li>
<li>emphasis on curated knowledge that needs to be brought into the room</li>
<li>meaning making and story making from harvests</li>
<li>strategic sharing of those stories</li>
<li>strategy which loops back to invitation</li>
<li>creating and sustaining wide fields of action and learning (commonly called communities of practice)</li>
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It's time for us to step up from hosting events to hosting systems of change.<br/> <br/> Cheers,<br/> <br/> Bob</div>
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<div><div>All of this is harvesting practice to me. I don't use the noun "harvest" any more, opting instead for much more precise language to describe the outputs and outcomes if processes. Sometimes what we are harvesting us consciousness and systemic change. If so we need to create an infrastructure for that to happen. The inquiry about going beyond the basics is what prompted Tim Merry, Tuesday Ryan-Hart, Caitlin Frost and I to launch our Beyond the Basics inquiry to dive into the theory and practice of exactly this imperative. </div>
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</div> Luhmann, living systems and Social constructuvismtag:artofhosting.ning.com,2013-03-25:4134568:Topic:758442013-03-25T05:45:32.245ZAmanda Fentonhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/AmandaFenton
<p>From the email list March 2013...</p>
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<div>Does anyone have any simple and clear answer/differentiation to how Luhman talks about Systems and autophoesis, related to what Maturana talks about, and also what we speak of as Living Systems?</div>
<div>Kindly</div>
<div><span>Oddne Dahle Lægreid</span></div>
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<div><div><div><font><font face="georgia,serif">Dear Oddne,…</font></font></div>
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<p>From the email list March 2013...</p>
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<div>Does anyone have any simple and clear answer/differentiation to how Luhman talks about Systems and autophoesis, related to what Maturana talks about, and also what we speak of as Living Systems?</div>
<div>Kindly</div>
<div><span>Oddne Dahle Lægreid</span></div>
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<div><div><div><font><font face="georgia,serif">Dear Oddne,</font></font><div><font><font face="georgia,serif"> </font></font></div>
<div><font><font face="georgia,serif">I've been exploring his thoughts for the last year or so - you can read some at <a href="http://augustocuginotti.com/" target="_blank">http://augustocuginotti.com</a></font></font></div>
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<div><font><font face="georgia,serif">It is, in my perspective, quite a change from the metaphors explored on the AoH community and also a contribution to this work.</font></font></div>
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<div><font><font face="georgia,serif">I'd love to explore this topic with you and others who might be interested. My skype: acuginotti</font></font></div>
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<div><font><font face="georgia,serif">all the best,</font></font></div>
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<div><font><font face="georgia,serif">Augusto</font></font></div>
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<div><font><font><font><font><font face="georgia,serif"><span>Dear all,</span></font></font></font></font></font><div>I asked David, my best Luhmann friend, here his answer (in German).</div>
<div>He says, in a nutshell, Maturana speaks about life, Luhmann about communication.</div>
<div>For the rest, one would need to go deep into the evolution of systems theories...</div>
<div>Very best,</div>
<div>Rainer</div>
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<div>Hi there,<br/><br/></div>
Not sure if this is a simple answer, but you might find Democracy of Objects (available for download as a free pdf <a href="http://openhumanitiespress.org/democracy-of-objects.html" target="_blank">here</a>) by Levi Bryant to be an interesting read. He bases a lot of his work on Luhman (amongst many others) and discusses autopoiesis in considerable depth.<br/><br/></div>
<span><span>Andre</span></span></div>
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<div><div>Oddne--</div>
<div>The (very) short answer is that Luhmann is interested in systems equilibrium, Maturana et al in the dynamics of emergence. Luhmann as a sociologist comes out of the tradition of Talcott Parsons and focuses on the self-regulation and differentiation of social systems, whereas (as I understand it) Maturana and Varela are bringing together theoretical biology and cybernetics.</div>
<div>Hope that helps.<br/><br/>Rick Livingston</div>
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<div><span>Hi Oddne,</span><div><br/><div>Attached is a rather technical paper by Geri Wittig entitled "Expansive Order: Situated and Expansive Knowledge Production in Network Space" which explores the relationship of Luhman's work to Maturana and Varela's as it pertains to social systems. Although it is not simple, perhaps you can draw from it what you need "in translation".</div>
<div>I may have other stuff on this from my doctoral dissertation, but I'll have to hunt it up.</div>
<div>Hope this can be supportive,</div>
<div>Juanita</div>
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<div><font><font face="georgia,serif">Hi again,</font></font><div><font><font face="georgia,serif"> </font></font></div>
<div><font><font face="georgia,serif">Enjoying all the new stuff popping up from this question. Now at home and searching further, this might be my best shot on touching your question - written after reading Ecological Communications.</font></font></div>
<div><a href="http://augustocuginotti.com/ecological-communication-niklas-luhmann" target="_blank"><font><font face="georgia,serif">http://augustocuginotti.com/ecological-communication-niklas-luhmann</font></font></a></div>
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<div><span>Not sure I've got it right though... :) Comments appreciated.</span></div>
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<div><font><font face="georgia,serif">best,</font></font></div>
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<div><font><font face="georgia,serif">Augusto</font></font></div>
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<div><div>Hi,</div>
<div>Another source: The talks, interviews with Francesco Varela, Maturana, von Foerster and many others on "Monte Grande" and "francisco cisco pancho", two DVDs with a lot of interesting insights and ideas about autopoiesis and especially the shift third person - first person (see O. Scharmer). Deep insights.</div>
<div>All the best, </div>
<div>Daniel</div>
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</div> Living systems and public educationtag:artofhosting.ning.com,2013-03-24:4134568:Topic:760232013-03-24T22:32:22.322ZAmanda Fentonhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/AmandaFenton
<p>From the email list February 2013...</p>
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<p><span>I am interested in how living systems thinking is being applied in public education. Is anyone doing this or does anyone know where resources for this can be found.</span><span> </span></p>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Jim</div>
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<div><span>Greetings. </span><br></br><br></br><span>Jim: I am not sure I understand the difference between "living" systems thinking versus mere "systems thinking" which is a discipline of…</span></div>
<p>From the email list February 2013...</p>
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<p><span>I am interested in how living systems thinking is being applied in public education. Is anyone doing this or does anyone know where resources for this can be found.</span><span> </span></p>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Jim</div>
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<div><span>Greetings. </span><br/><br/><span>Jim: I am not sure I understand the difference between "living" systems thinking versus mere "systems thinking" which is a discipline of its own with a few reputable references and a rich history. If you referred to systems thinking applied to education, a good video out of many possible tells the story of how it has been carried out in a specific case for children. </span><br/><br/><span>From minute 4' onwards, specifically on systems thinking for kids </span><br/><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivaoRiCe7xo&feature=youtu.be" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivaoRiCe7xo&feature=youtu.be</a><span> </span><br/><br/><br/><span>Hope this helps. </span><br/><span>Marco.</span></div>
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<div><p>Regarding systems thinking (and organizational learning) applied to education there is P.Senge's "Schools that learn", especially chapter about "Systems Thinking in the Classroom".</p>
<p>There is wonderful guide "The Systems thinking playbook" by Linda Booth Sweeney and Dennis Meadows about how to learn and build systems thinking capabilities through fun exercises and games.</p>
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<p>hth, igor</p>
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<p>Jim,</p>
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<p>Here are a couple resources that might be of interest to you:</p>
<p><b>For integrating living systems as a framework for curriculum development:</b></p>
<p>This is an excellent resource for anyone interested in developing a student-centered curriculum that builds on the insights of living systems science. Ed was my academic advisor for graduate school and he become a personal advisor on my spiritual path. He also married my husband and I J He consulted with a number of US schools and his books has an international audience.</p>
<p><b>Ed T. Clark, Jr. </b><b>Designing and Implementing an Integrated Curriculum: A Student-Centered Approach</b></p>
<p>For an overview of the book: <a href="https://great-ideas.org/clark.htm" target="_blank">https://great-ideas.org/clark.htm</a></p>
<p>An excerpt:</p>
<p><i>“Ed Clark, more adeptly than anyone else, has translated the revolutionary insights of systems theory and ecological science into a specific educational agenda for the twenty-first century. In this new and compelling book, he makes it clear that "integrated curriculum" is more than the mere combination of subject areas, and more than another passing educational fad: By examining hidden assumptions about human potential, learning and intelligence, the nature of the universe, and the effectiveness of organizations, Clark demonstrates that the established educational structure is not equipped to cope with the major changes taking place in the world today. He calls for systemic restructuring.”</i></p>
<p>To download Chapter 2 <b>The Design Solution: Systems Thinking</b>: <a href="https://great-ideas.org/clark2.txt" target="_blank">https://great-ideas.org/clark2.txt</a></p>
<p>For another resource is <b>Stephanie Pace Marshall’s The Power to Transform: Leadership that Brings Learning and Schooling to Life</b>. Her work is based on living systems theory, and chapter two of her book is devoted to explaining “What Living Systems Teach Us”. For more:<a href="http://www.stephaniepacemarshall.com/" target="_blank">http://www.stephaniepacemarshall.com</a><br/><br/></p>
<p>Finally, I have not read these two books but always want to in grad school. They are on my shelf for someday…</p>
<p><b>Bela Banathy</b></p>
<p><b>A Systems View of Education</b></p>
<p><b>Systems Design of Education</b></p>
<p>You can find his books on <a href="http://amazon.com/" target="_blank">Amazon.com</a></p>
<p>Hope this is helpful.</p>
<div>Christina</div>
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<div><p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>Marianne Franke-Gricksch book "You're One of Us" (original. German title: "Du gehoerst zu uns") addresses the cooperation between teachers students and parents. Practical examples of systemic thinking in action.</p>
<p>You're One of Us! Systemic Insights and Solutions for Teachers, Students and Parents.</p>
<p><br/> "In this gripping account of her work, Marianne Franke-Gricksch speaks from her experience as a teacher and therapist, describing how systemic ideas enable fundamentally new and effective learning and encourage creative cooperation between students, teachers, and parents. Rather than viewing the participants in this process as isolated individuals, she shows how people and their environment constantly influence and change each other. Franke-Gricksch's own systemic view connects Bert Hellinger's work on the power of one's bond with his or her family of origin with various other approaches within systemic theory. The author's reports are consistently supported by practical examples from the everyday classroom situation. Especially fascinating is the children's enthusiasm and array of ideas that they use to pick up and transfer the new impulses and procedures. Readers who are new to these methods will also be amazed at the powerful effect that is released by systemic thinking and action."</p>
<p>Best wishes</p>
<p>Brigitte</p>
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<p>Hi, Jim!<br/><br/>Here are a few resources that I have utilized and learned about through my studies and work in sustainability education:<br/><b><br/>Higher Ed</b></p>
<p>Widhalm, B. (2011, March). Educators as architects of living systems: Designing vibrant learning experiences beyond sustainability and systems thinking. <i>Journal of Sustainability Education</i>, 2, ISSN 2151-7452. <a href="http://www.jsedimensions.org/wordpress/content/educators-as-architects-of-living-systems-designing-vibrant-learning-experiences-beyond-sustainability-and-systems-thinking_2011_03/" target="_blank">http://www.jsedimensions.org/wordpress/content/educators-as-architects-of-living-systems-designing-vibrant-learning-experiences-beyond-sustainability-and-systems-thinking_2011_03/</a></p>
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<p>Ferdig, M. A. (2007, March). Sustainability leadership: Co-creating a sustainable future. <i>Journal of Change Management, 7</i>(1), 25-35.</p>
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<p>Evergreen College Sustainability Learning Outcomes (n.d.). Retrieved from <a href="http://www.evergreen.edu/washcenter/project.asp?pid=62" target="_blank">http://www.evergreen.edu/washcenter/project.asp?pid=62</a></p>
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<p>Burns, H. (2009). Skilled in sustainability: Teaching sustainability in skills-based courses. In W. Leal Filho (Ed.), <i>Sustainability at universities: Opportunities, challenges and trends </i>(pp. 195-205). Frankfurt: Peter Lang.</p>
<p><br/>Lyle Center for Regenerative Studies <a href="http://www.csupomona.edu/~crs/regeneration.html" target="_blank">http://www.csupomona.edu/~crs/regeneration.html</a><br/><br/><b>K-12</b><br/>Center for Ecoliteracy <a href="http://www.ecoliteracy.org/" target="_blank">http://www.ecoliteracy.org/</a><br/><br/></p>
<p>Stone, M. K., & Barlow, Z. (Eds.). (2005). <i>Ecological Literacy</i>: <i>Educating our Children for a Sustainable World. </i>San Francisco: Sierra Club Books.</p>
<p><br/>Cloud Institute <a href="http://cloudinstitute.org/" target="_blank">http://cloudinstitute.org/</a><font color="#888888"><br/><br/>:) Angela Hamilton<br/></font></p>
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</div> How to host health system transformation?tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2012-12-07:4134568:Topic:694062012-12-07T13:57:36.130ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
<p><em>From the emaillist, Aug.'12:</em></p>
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<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>Apparently several of you have been involved in hosting health system transformation in the past, I wondered would you have anything in writing (in English, French or German) that describes your process/project? I would also be grateful to exchange ideas, key questions etc. on Skype. </p>
<p>Thanks in advance and warm regards,</p>
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<p>Holger</p>
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<p><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">Dear…</span></p>
<p><em>From the emaillist, Aug.'12:</em></p>
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<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>Apparently several of you have been involved in hosting health system transformation in the past, I wondered would you have anything in writing (in English, French or German) that describes your process/project? I would also be grateful to exchange ideas, key questions etc. on Skype. </p>
<p>Thanks in advance and warm regards,</p>
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<p>Holger</p>
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<p><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">Dear Holger,<br/> <br/> I don't know if you received information on your request, but you will find some documents here:<br/> <a href="http://artofhosting.ning.com/page/projects-1">http://artofhosting.ning.com/page/projects-1</a><br/> <br/> <br/> WIth love,<br/> Ria</span></p>
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<div>Ah Ria, Thanks for bringing this back around. </div>
<div>Holger, I have been involved in health care work in NS and co-hosted a gathering in Utah this past January. I've written a bit about some of the projects here: </div>
<div><a href="http://shapeshiftstrategies.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/a-1500-day-collaborative-journey/">http://shapeshiftstrategies.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/a-1500-day-collaborative-journey/</a></div>
<div><a href="http://shapeshiftstrategies.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/prototyping-collaborative-leadership-at-capital-health-infusion/">http://shapeshiftstrategies.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/prototyping-collaborative-leadership-at-capital-health-infusion/</a></div>
<div><a href="http://shapeshiftstrategies.wordpress.com/2012/01/15/healthier-health-care-now-a-little-taste-of-whats-cooking/">http://shapeshiftstrategies.wordpress.com/2012/01/15/healthier-health-care-now-a-little-taste-of-whats-cooking/</a></div>
<div>A harvest document from a longer term project in NS on Collaborative Care: <a href="http://www.crnns.ca/documents/IDP%20WorkingTogether.pdf">http://www.crnns.ca/documents/IDP%20WorkingTogether.pdf</a></div>
<div>I'm happy to have a conversation with and others if it would be useful. </div>
<div>Kathy</div>
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<div><font color="#000099"><font><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Hi Holger,<br/> <br/>I was part of the hosting team for the Healthier Healthcare Systems gathering held in Utah this past January. You can view the invitation <a href="http://berkana.org/HHS_Utah_2012.pdf">here</a> and the <a href="http://www.itineriscoaching.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/07/Harvest-Document-HHS-Utah-January-2012.pdf">harvest document here</a>. I would be happy to talk with you if you have questions or would like more discussion.<br/> <br/>Steve</font></font></font></div>
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<p><span>Thanks Holger.</span></p>
<p><span>Attached (see below) is the pdg proposal we used to for the Public Health System here in Nova Scotia, if that is any help. It changed quite a bit as we walked the path and continues to evolve to this day.</span></p>
<p><span>Happy to tell you the story sometime over skype with my mate Sera Thompson, who was central to the work (copied in here). We are now five years down the road with lots of learning ... and still going. It has been incredible personal and systemic change.</span></p>
<div>Tim</div>
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<div><font color="#000099"><font><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Hi Holger,</font></font></font></div>
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<div><font color="#000099"><font><font face="verdana,sans-serif">What an exciting project! I spent 35 years working in healthcare administration and certainly recognize the issues and dynamics that you describe. And I also am pleased by the work that we did as an organization to empower a participatory culture that mitigated some of the stress and pressures of the work. In the end, it does seem that we have a very sick system and I have tremendous respect, appreciation and compassion for those warriors who continue to work to humanize it.</font></font></font></div>
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<div><font color="#000099"><font><font face="verdana,sans-serif">I am looking forward to meeting you soon in Slovenia and hopefully to continue this conversation,</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#000099"><font><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Steve</font></font></font></div>
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<p><span> </span></p> Systems Thinking video resources?tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2012-12-06:4134568:Topic:693082012-12-06T09:35:25.699ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
<p><em>Copied from the emaillist, Dec.'12:</em><br></br><br></br>Dear resourceful list,<br></br>I live in San Diego in the US and travel around the states working with large inter-generational family businesses. I am looking for a video or concise article explaining systems thinking to someone who has always thought in a "unit model" kind of way. Does anyone know of such a video?<br></br>Thank you so much,<br></br>Kay Vogt<br></br>----------------<br></br>Hi,<br></br>You might find this helpful - it's not quite system…</p>
<p><em>Copied from the emaillist, Dec.'12:</em><br/><br/>Dear resourceful list,<br/>I live in San Diego in the US and travel around the states working with large inter-generational family businesses. I am looking for a video or concise article explaining systems thinking to someone who has always thought in a "unit model" kind of way. Does anyone know of such a video?<br/>Thank you so much,<br/>Kay Vogt<br/>----------------<br/>Hi,<br/>You might find this helpful - it's not quite system thinking but the next iteration - complex adaptive systems.<br/><br/><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://illustra.tv/2012/05/hirearchies-are-not-always-the-best-way/">http://illustra.tv/2012/05/hirearchies-are-not-always-the-best-way/</a><br/><br/>Kindest Stephen<br/>-----------------</p>
<div>Not the best video quality, but Mr. Systems Thinking himself, Russell Ackoff. A series of three:</div>
<div>Part 1: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJxWoZJAD8k">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJxWoZJAD8k</a></div>
<div>Part 2: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdBiXbuD1h4">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdBiXbuD1h4</a></div>
<div>Part 3: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBrEJjT-dWU">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBrEJjT-dWU</a></div>
<div>Some nice stuff!</div>
<div>Enjoy!</div>
<div>Julie Engel</div> Healthier Health Care Systems Now - Salt Lake - Jan.2012tag:artofhosting.ning.com,2012-02-05:4134568:Topic:510842012-02-05T14:51:54.058ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
<p>Attached is the -really beautiful - harvest document of this inspiring gathering. It contains links to further documents.</p>
<p>There is one <a href="http://artofhosting.ning.com/video/harvest-healthier-healthcare-systems-friends-to-our-awareness" target="_self">video-poem</a> made as a harvest of one of the harvest circle.</p>
<p><a href="http://shapeshiftstrategies.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/hosting-lessons-from-the-field-part-1/#comment-485" target="_blank">Here is part 1</a> of looking…</p>
<p>Attached is the -really beautiful - harvest document of this inspiring gathering. It contains links to further documents.</p>
<p>There is one <a href="http://artofhosting.ning.com/video/harvest-healthier-healthcare-systems-friends-to-our-awareness" target="_self">video-poem</a> made as a harvest of one of the harvest circle.</p>
<p><a href="http://shapeshiftstrategies.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/hosting-lessons-from-the-field-part-1/#comment-485" target="_blank">Here is part 1</a> of looking back at the amazing gathering of Health Care - AoH practitioners; written by one of the hosts, Kathy Jourdain. She is looking from the hosting team perspective and how to host and design for the really new, the edge they were looking for.</p> Living systems, complexity - as worldviewtag:artofhosting.ning.com,2011-04-19:4134568:Topic:156912011-04-19T08:48:01.120ZRia Baeckhttps://artofhosting.ning.com/profile/RiaBaeck
<p><strong>Filiz wrote on the AoH emaillist:</strong> (April 15, 2011)<strong><br></br></strong></p>
<p>I would like to share with you an inspiring TED talk by Michelle Holiday, on organizations as living systems. (It is also uploaded here; Media -> Videos)<br></br><br></br>What stroke me was that she uses a complete AoH language, so much that I bet she's been part of an AoH training or she is a host herself. :)<br></br> <br></br>At the end of the talks she asks these questions:<br></br><span>how can we reinvent…</span></p>
<p><strong>Filiz wrote on the AoH emaillist:</strong> (April 15, 2011)<strong><br/></strong></p>
<p>I would like to share with you an inspiring TED talk by Michelle Holiday, on organizations as living systems. (It is also uploaded here; Media -> Videos)<br/><br/>What stroke me was that she uses a complete AoH language, so much that I bet she's been part of an AoH training or she is a host herself. :)<br/> <br/>At the end of the talks she asks these questions:<br/><span>how can we reinvent our organizations so they nourish the life within us and around us as much as possible? <br/>how can we reimagine ourselves, not as consumers, not as human capital, but as vibrant, thriving contributors to the whole life? <br/>how can we recraft the artifacts and architecture of our organizations and our societies so they support wiser, more life sustaining ways of being?</span><br/><br/>which are of course very familiar to this tribe of people...<br/><br/>a good watch, and even a good visual to share for the purposes of AoH...<br/><br/>blessings,<br/> Filiz</p>
<p>(In the meantime Michelle Holiday opened a Ning site herself <a href="http://humanity4point0.ning.com/" target="_blank">Humanity 4.0</a>, with the slide show and conversations)</p>